First of all, How are you doing? I know we haven't talked to each other very often but I would like to invite you to the new discord server. It is a very convenient way to discuss matters. Currently, Lukas, Archer and I are using it but it would be better if all admins joined. Of course I do not want to force you to join or anything :) It is your decision to join or not after all. Let me know what you think!
Hello, I am still new to the wiki and have written the content for 'The Lake of Tears (location)' and some other articles. At this point I am confused about the tense that should be used when writing articles. I checked the manual of style but is a bit contradicting. So what tense should be used when writing 'in-universe' articles, I have used past-tense now but I do not know if this is right?
Past tense is correct for locations, people, organizations, or creatures that do not exist anymore or have died in-universe, so you are correct in your use of past tense for something like the Lake of Tears. Present tense is used for book and episode summaries and characters, creatures, and locations that are still alive or still exist.
I hope I explained it well enough for you. If you have any more questions feel free to contact me or any other admins. Thank you for editing and keep up the good work!
Thank you so much for all your work in categorising all the images on the wiki! I've been wanting to do that for a few years now, and it's finally happened. They've come a long way since I deleted around 500 a few years ago!
Once all the images are categorized, I think we should go through and delete duplicates and low-quality images for brevity and clarity. And once I'm done with that project, I'll be free to rewrite the gems pages and work on book plots.
Sisterofthesouth wrote: Yeah, I planned to add that. I was editing in roughly 3-paragraph sections, and hadn't got to that part yet. Hopefully I can finish Lief's history in The Shifting Sands in the next couple days.
Like what Ben said above, you truly are incredible Rey. We could never had gotten the wiki to this state without your help. You're like ten or more editors in one person.
Hi Rey, could you begin to do some major work on Lief's history now (meaning soon, not at this second, but perhaps as your next big series of edits?), cleaning it up and expanding on it, including continuing from the point in the story where I left off, which is somewhere in The Shifting Sands.
The license templates we use are split into three categories, images that have been scanned, images of covers, and images from the anime. These templates explain the justification of the images under fair use, etc.
I added some code that automatically adds those with the 'cover' license template to be added to the category you created, 'Book covers'. I'll do the rest for the same! Eventually, whenever an image is uploaded, you just select which book it's from and what type of image and it'll be categorised automatically!
I initially started doing this last year, and if you go to the 'Anime images' category, you'll find all the images we have from the anime!
Can't wait to sort through the rest with you and the others :)
All good! The 'cover' license template was added to it by mistake I think, hence it went into that category. I'll remove it now, though I'm going to re-do the lisence templates first so we can easily categorise them all!
If certain images appear in multiple books (like the Shadow Lord's brand or the Resistance symbol), should I put those images in all those book categories, put them only in the category of the first book in which they appear, or not specify which book and just leave it in the series category?
Oops! I joined the chat and saw no one was there, but I'll get back on in a second. And thanks! (I'm guessing that was in reference to the Broome article?) I love adding loads of information to articles when I get the time.
I saw your tumblr, when I was surfing the net looking for mbti personality types of DQ characters. I've gotten into mbti over the past few weeks and just started typing DQ characters after finding nothing on the internet about them. I was very happy to find your tumblr! :) I don't use tumblr but if you want we could maybe type DQ characters together?
Also glad to see someone else ships Britta/Sky together. :D I was thinking I was the only one! Most of the other writers I talk to on fanfiction.net seem to ship Britta/Jantsy. :/
Sure, I'd be glad to type them with you. Have you gotten into function theory yet? Or do you just type by the I/E S/N T/F P/J binaries? I'd like to hear your ideas either way. I'm currently working on a huge write-up/analysis of some of the main characters' types and the way they use their cognitive functions.
And yeah, I don't have anything against Britta/Jantsy, but I think Britta/Sky has interesting dynamics and potential.
I'm following the method funkymbtifiction uses to type characters (which involves cognitive functions). According to that site it's better to use the functions when typing characters because if you use the letters then you'll be more likely to be inaccurate. Here's what I have so far:
Lief: ISFP - Fi-Se-Ni-Te
Jasmine: ISTP - Ti-Se-Ni-Fe
Barda: ESTP - Se-Ti-Fe-Ni
Sharn: ENFJ - Fe-Ni-Se-Ti or INFJ - Ni-Fe-Ti-Se
Jarred: ENTJ - Te-Ni-Se-Fi
Endon: ENFP - Ne-Fi-Te-Si, or INFP - Fi-Ne-Si-Te, or ESFJ - Fe-Si-Ne-Ti, or ISFJ - Si-Fe-Ti-Ne
I'm not sure how accurate these are. :/ There's a lot I could be missing.
Haha yeah funkymbtifiction taught me everything I know. I'm glad you know about function theory and I don't have to try to explain it! Letter binaries are very inaccurate. Your typings for Lief, Jasmine, Jarred, and Sharn are pretty much the same as mine. I'm on the fence about Sharn because I don't see much in that will help me determine her inferior function. Part of me wants to say INFJ, the other says ENFJ. I have to think on that one still.
I haven't thought hard about Barda, so I can't say anything about him. But Endon is definitely an ISFJ. Si-dom, inferior Ne. I've got a few more characters typed too.
I'm probably forgetting someone... Oh well. I'm trying to get my analyses of Lief and Jasmine finished, but there's so much information to deal with from all 15 books, and it's kind of hard to get all my Ti-Ne abstract ideas into sensible words.
I agree with a lot of these! I think Anna is an ESFJ; and Glock is definitely an ESFP.
When deciding Josef's type I vacillated between ISFJ and ESFJ, but I think he shows far more signs of inferior Ne than of inferior Ti, which is why I went with ISFJ.
Lindal is a much harder character to type because we never get to see "inside her head" or anything from her POV, making it hard to determine her auxilary introverted function. She seems to be pure Se, and the Ti/Fe vs. Fi/Te dichotomy can be backed well from either side. I think she is one of those characters that one can never be 100% certain on.
As for Claw, Brianne, and Gers, their typings seem reasonable to me. But I'm a little leery of putting types on characters who do not have a lot of book time or development, because their typings tend towards mere cursory examinations based on behavioral tendencies. I don't think their characters are defined enough to warrant a rigid typing, but if you have faith in what you've determined, stick to it.
And Paff! I never thought to type her! ENFP looks just fine to me, but I'll think about that one and try to form a more solid opinion.
When I eventually finish my in-depth analyses, I'll make a blog post on here. I've written about a page and a half each for Lief and Jasmine, but I'm only about halfway there. (I could probably write three whole pages solely on Jasmine's inferior Fe... fun stuff!)
It's been ages since I read ROR, so I could be wrong, but -- Rowan strikes me as a total ISFJ. Si-Fe-Ti-Ne. (FYI: Most this analysis is based on the first book, because I honestly don't remember much about the others.)
His Si finds comfort in routine and the way things are, and his Fe wants acceptance. I don't see any inferior Te, nor do I see Ne as being higher than Si. I do see Ne used, but it's inferior. Rowan doesn't seek adventure or novelty or anything new and different. The one thing he does wish would change is people's view of him. He wishes they could respect and understand him and not view him as a "weakling" in their eyes. That seems like a Fe thing, not a Fi thing.
Si likes things the way they are. Si loves the routine of taking care of the bukshah. Si dwells on the past and the present and how they connect. Si dwells on Rowan's father. Si doesn't want Jiller to marry Strong Jonn. Si prompts Rowan to approach the dragon how he would approach the bukshah. Si is content and happy to return to the bukshah after the adventure. As an aux-Ne user, I can tell you: higher Ne would crave more external stimuli, more ideas, more activity, more change and variation of life. High Ne would see right through Sheba's rhymes and probably be intrigued by her mysterious powers. Ne would seek adventure. Si doesn't want it. And Si, being an introverted function, can be just as individualistic as Fi (if that's what you were basing your original typing on.)
Everyone else seems fine to me, but apologize -- I really don't remember enough of those books to give reliable input. By the way, what's your type?
That makes so much more sense! :) Thanks! I haven't read the Rowan books in a while, so I forgot about how Rowan thinks about the past a lot. And I'm still not completely familiar with how the functions are like in the auxiliary/tertiary/inferior positions. I think I grasp how each function acts regardless of which position they're in, though I'm still iffy about Te, Ti and Ni.
I made the same mistake when typing Devlin from the Wicked Lovely series. Devlin's a hard character to type, since for most of his character arc he's trying to be something that he's not (kind of like Zuko in ATLA). It's also much harder because Devlin's been suppressing his emotions for millenia and has a extremely well-developed Te (at least, I think it's Te). It was hard to tell whether he was a Thinker or a Feeler, because he uses logic so much in his decision-making but also has the typical characteristics of Fi-dom (or perhaps Fi-aux). He's said to make the decision to serve Faerie and put logic before emotions every day of his life and it's constantly stated that it's not within his nature to be extremely logical and emotionless (which are the main traits of the High Court). I originally typed him as INFP, but had second thoughts because he also seemed to have Se somewhere in his type (as he's an assassin, and relies on his senses a lot when he fights and also seems to like it a lot). I thought that he had Ne-aux because he's a seer who can see threads of possibilities of the people around him. After taking another look at him, though, I decided that being a seer didn't necessarily mean that he has Ne-aux and ended up typing him as ISFP (Fi-Se-Ni-Te). It seems to fit him, and it feels more right to me than INFP.
As for my type, well, I'm pretty sure I'm INFP. I took the test on 16personalities and got INFP and the description resonated with me, and then I researched more into the type and it still resonated with me. And then I looked at the functions. I know I'm Fi-dom (I'm very private in my emotions, I find it hard sometimes to articulate what I'm feeling, etc.), I think I'm Ne-aux (I have a good imagination, I'm good at seeing things from different perspectives, I'm good at seeing possibilities (at least when it comes to stories and writing), etc.), I'm Si-tertiary (I love history and think it's important to remember the past, and I'm also very sentimental). That means Te is my inferior function. I'm not sure exactly what it entails, but I know that I can get really disorganized and feel uncomfortable sticking to strict schedules (I tried setting myself on a structured daily study schedule during high school once, but I couldn't stick to it). And according to some sites that's a common characteristic of INFPs.
I'm gonna wait till I've read all the books to analyze the Star of Deltora characters because I'd like to get the 'full experience' before I try and label them with definite types. I'm curious though, what makes you say Britta is an INTJ? And I see Fe in Jewel, making me think she's an ESTP.
I agree, that it's best to wait until you've read all the books before trying to type a character. I thought though that what I'd already read was enough to type Britta and maybe Jewel and Mab, because Mab and Jewel seems relatively straightforward and Britta's the protagonist. We get to see a lot of Britta's thought processes in SotM and Two Moons and we actually see her making decisions.
I thought Britta could be INTJ because of how she trades and her logic (I couldn't see any Ti in her), but I'm leaning more toward INFJ now. Britta does show some Fe, Se and Ni, though I can't see any Ti in her. :/ I thought that she was a Thinker and an Intuitive, too, which is also why I typed her as INTJ.
I saw Fe in Jewel too, but wasn't sure enough about it to retype her.
I had an idea, once you're done with all the main characters and have at least one of every MBTI type, we could make a poster like, "Deltora Quest Personality Type poster" and you could match yours up to a character, along with a description under each. I'd love to make it.
Chericola, I am planning on submitting at least my Lief and Jasmine analyses to funkymbtifiction.
That is a good idea Ben, but like you said, we'd have to find a character for every type. I don't know how feasible that is, seeing that we don't have any NTPs or STJs yet. (Though Bess may be an xSTJ?? idk). INTPs and ENTPs are pretty hard to come by, and our current prospects of finding a main(ish) character for either are looking slim. But if we can get one of each, it would be pretty cool if you could make something.
I think we do have an ISTJ, actually. Asha of Umbray. I've typed Jiller and Crian as ESTJ, though I'm not as sure about them. But I'm definitely sure that Asha's an ISTJ. The only INTPs/ENTPs I've typed are from other series.
Oh, sorry. I should have specified that I was speaking strictly of Deltora Quest characters. I kinda think mixing characters from different series would not work as well, despite them all being in the same world. But still, the lack of NTPs is a little peculiar.
Hmm, perhaps I'd make a poster of just the main character's types? So you can see which one closely resembles your own? That could work. Also, it would make sense to have just one series, though I'm open to either.
Why not make several charts, and then make one, huge chart combining all of the characters, and divide the images into seperate sections in the image, according to what series they are in, or maybe what island they are from. Like one big long "scroll image", like the ones you see sometimes on deviantART, especially when people are creating tutorials? Or a square image might work too. I am not so sure about using images of the characters. Maybe some could have an image, but others, who haven't been painted in official canon art might not need it? Or maybe use fan-art for those characters' images, and put a little text at the corner of those images saying "Fan-Art"?
Would Star of Deltora count as a separate series from DQ? It is set in the same world (and even in the same kingdom).
I've been trying to type Britta and Sky, which I've been finding pretty hard. I'm fairly sure that Britta has Fe, Si, Ne and Ti in her function stack, but I can't figure out which order they fall in. I'm leaning more toward ESFJ at the moment, though I'm not sure about Britta being Fe-dom, given that she's not always trying to please others and doesn't have that warm a personality. :/
Sky looks like he has Ni, Se, Fi and Te, but it's hard to tell whether his Se is higher than his Ni. And if his Se was higher, then he'd be Fi-dom, and it's stated in Two Moons that he doesn't have many scruples and is willing to use dishonest methods to achieve his goals. With Sky, at the moment I'm thinking that he is ENTJ or INTJ.
I'm still waiting to get my copy of Illica, so I'm afraid I can't help you there. However, I have been leaning towards some kind of NT typing for Sky, or possibly an STP. But I still have no idea for him or Britta.
And I would count SoD as a different series from DQ because it doesn't feature the same characters.
Hopefully I'll get Illica soon and I can begin my typings of the Star characters. I'll let you know when I've read it and come to some conclusions. :)
I'm 100% certain that Sky is not an STP. Everything he does in Illica practically screams Fi to me. You might see what I mean when you read the book. :)
I can't remember if I've already posted this but here are the typings I've come up with for the SoD characters:
Britta: ESFJ or INTP (can't decide where her Fe is in her functional stack. I'm leaning more toward INTP now, to be honest.)
Sky: ENTJ or INTJ (can't decide where his Fi is in his functional stack. He's probably ENTJ though.)
Vashti: ENFJ or ESFJ (probably ESFJ)
Dare Larsett: ENFJ or ESTP or INFJ or ENTP (probably not INFJ. ENTP maybe? It's hard to tell at the moment. Is Dare's longing to get rich and see all the wonders in the old tales a sign of Se or Ne? There's also something in Illica which makes me think that Dare may have Ne somewhere in his functional stack. I won't say what because of spoilers :). He definitely has Ti and Fe, though.)
Maarie: ISFJ (this one was easy for me to type. Maarie is very judgemental and obsessed with appearing respectable, and becoming ostracised by her own people seemed to hit her hard (Fe). She hasn't gotten over Dare's betrayal/disappearance even eight years after it happened, which shows that she has a hard time letting go of things (Si).)
Zoolah: ESFJ or ISFJ (probably a very unhealthy ISFJ. The explanation I gave for Maarie applies here, too.)